Ep. 16 A Conversation with Annie Carpenter (Transcript)

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Rebecca Warfield:       00:00       Y’all, I don't know if we're in a different dimension or if this is even real life, but it doesn't matter because this special episode of Dharma Drops podcast with Annie Carpenter is here. A big thanks goes out to Annie for taking the time to sit down and chat and be on the podcast. And as always so much gratitude to those of you who listen to the podcast week after week and listen to my shenanigans and ramblings and musings. Please don't forget to rate, review and subscribe on whatever app you're listening to this podcast on. And here we go. Please enjoy this special episode of Drama Drops with Annie Carpenter.

Intro:   00:38       This is Drama Drops with your host, Rebecca Warfield. This podcast is a little bit about yoga, a little bit about life and a little bit about whatever. And just as a warning, this podcast is unscripted, so that means I might regret a few things that I say, but hey, maybe I'll say some pretty awesome stuff too. Remember, these are musings, not truths. Buckle up, giddy up, because here we go.

Rebecca Warfield:       01:10       [Sigh] Annie. I'm very tired. Thank you so much for being here guys. This is your host of Demo Drops podcast, Rebecca Warfield, and I'm both here and very tired with Annie Carpenter. How are you, Annie?

Annie Carpenter:         01:25       Namaste.

Rebecca Warfield:       01:26       Namaste. Thank you so much for being here.

Annie Carpenter:         01:29       My pleasure.

Rebecca Warfield:       01:29       Yes, of course. So before we get into anything else, I feel like I should first just send out a big thank you to your student and my dear friend Angela. One who brought you here but also introduced me to your teachings. It was kind of interesting because yesterday when you were talking, in the very, very beginning of class because for those of you listening, Annie is here at Longwave Yoga, doing a full weekend workshop and smart flow yoga. You had mentioned sometimes we get too deep into the practice and I think at that time you were talking about maybe asana. I had gone just down this path of my yoga practice and I felt really worn out and not really sure what I wanted to do. And I stopped practicing for a while. And one day Angela texted me, she was like, will you please just come to my house and do one of these classes with Annie Carpenter, with me? And I was like, yeah, sure, I did and that reinvigorated my practice. So a big shout out to Angela. Yeah, she's a good student, huh?

Annie Carpenter:         02:27       She's fantastic.

Rebecca Warfield:       02:28       So Annie, how's your time in Wilmington so far?

Annie Carpenter:         02:32       Well it's very hot.

Rebecca Warfield:       02:34       It is very hot, crazy hot. It's crazy hot.

Annie Carpenter:         02:36       So other than the heat wave and the humidity, it's beautiful. And I have to say, the Longwave Yoga community is very sweet, very, very dedicated and really keen. And keen and earnestness are my favorite qualities for a yoga practitioner. Is to be keen to learn and earnest about really being willing to look at what's working in their practice; what they can't see in their practice; and maybe what they need to work on; without being judging. So always something that we need to work on, but it doesn't mean there's something wrong with us.

Rebecca Warfield:       03:14       Absolutely. Yeah. It's been interesting practicing with you in real life, because I practiced with you on Glow often. For example, hugging the outer hips, the whole time, I thought I've been doing, it until you came up to me. I was like, oh shoot, that's what she means. So just interesting to experience it, but I do have to agree with about the Wilmington Yoga community. It's a small town with a really incredible group of people. It's, I'm really thankful to be a part of it. One of the things that I initially noticed, and I know you don't know this about me because we just met, but I've been a teacher not of yoga but of English for the last eleven years at the university level. And of course now I teach yoga. And for me I have felt that the role of the teacher in the academic setting and maybe even the yoga setting has shifted in the last few years.

Rebecca Warfield:       04:07       So for example, I was interviewing for a new position at the university here. And rather than referring to the students as students, they were referring to them as customers. And yeah, it was kind of scary and they were asking me how I thought about customer service. Even in the yoga community sometimes I feel like we're calling our students clients, but what I really like today is unwell. And yesterday she was, I felt like a student. And you felt like a teacher and I'm wondering if you could speak about the role of the teacher in the yoga practice.

Annie Carpenter:         04:38       It's a little complex and I think a new teacher probably feels a little bit like a friend and very, very often I think new teachers get their friends to come to practice with them as they're learning their craft. And that's lovely. But as you become a more advanced teacher and are a true teacher to your students. You kind of have to drop that, they're my friends thing away. If I want to be able to be honest to each and everyone of my students in the sense of being willing to look at them in the eyes and say, you may think this piece is awake, but it's actually not. And really cut through the stuff. And I'm not saying our friends don't support and love us and try to be sure, but I think it's important for me to not be your friend and chummy, but rather to have the kind of an intimacy that is utterly honest and it is my job to know when I might give you too much. How slowly to move in; with time to wake up; or in which ways you, for example, may be ready to awaken to what is real. And I mean that yes, is your knee bending when it's supposed to be straight or am I avoiding what my true work is? Am I awake to, what is the difference between the phenomenological, I sit and say that, well, okay,

Rebecca Warfield:       06:09       I thought it was amazing.

Annie Carpenter:         06:11       That part of the world is ever changing and that part of the world that is actually true and real and lasting because at the end of the day, that is what the yoga practice is about, knowing what's real.

Rebecca Warfield:       06:24       Yeah. And for me the yesterday and today, and I'm sure it's tomorrow too. It felt good to be in the role of the student and I felt like I wanted to work harder in ways that people haven't asked me to in awhile. And part of it is because I think, you work with one person and they lead you to a certain point and then maybe it's, your work with that person has met, not unless they ended, but it's just shifted. And so I'm not like re-inspired or asked to do more. Also because we don't have another relationship. You're not my friend here, you know what I mean? And you're not my boss at the studio. And so really it's just been a really nice experience to just want to work in the yoga practice.

Rebecca Warfield:       07:04       Like today you came over and pinched my thigh and I was like, oh my God, I don't think I've ever used my quadriceps. [inaudible 00:07:08] This was like not as fun, but it feels nice. It's pretty interesting. So that is definitely something I've been grateful for this weekend. I also wanted to know, because we're having a little bit of a time limit here because it is a weekend workshop and you have some things to do. But before we do have to rush away, I wanted to ask you a few questions about your experience working with Martha Graham because I am a dancer, not a professional one, flat feet, big hips. All those things didn't work out for me in the dance world. But I'm really curious to know how Martha Graham influenced the way in which you teach yoga?.

Annie Carpenter:         07:49       Well, as you said, I am a little bit of an insistent teacher. I have a part of me that wants you to see again what's awake and went to sleep and i'm really willing to say, hey, wake up. Hey, again, wake up. And that's how Martha was. She didn't settle for anything but a 100% of your presence. So what was amazing about her is that she wanted 100% of your presence in the work. And in fact, my feeling was that in the whole Graham technique and school and with Martha herself, that it was more about understanding what the work is and being 100% present with the work, than it was getting the shapes, right. I mean obviously we worked everyday sharing shapes, right? But Martha's work was an expression and her opening sequence that we did every morning, the technique was called the breathings.

Annie Carpenter:         08:46       And despite, it was almost like a

Rebecca Warfield:       08:48       Was that on the floor?

Annie Carpenter:         08:48       The seated cat and cow work. But it's exactly like we do, the breathings and the cat and cow. And so, she said she did yoga. So some of this work really was influenced, but she was so present and so insistent on her own self, figuring out what was right. And that's a word that I remember so often that somehow when she'd watched people work and move and dance and choreograph, there was, she knew in her heart of hearts, that's it. That's what's right. And it wasn't for me that the learning was not that she knew what was right and I didn't. But that inside of us, we each have an intuitive sense of what's right and by that I mean what's right in my body, what feels right in this moment, but also perhaps even ethically that and the work is for each one of us to go inside and find what is right in this moment.

Annie Carpenter:         09:47       And so in that way, to get back to the idea of the teacher is it's my insistence for you to wake up and find what's right for you today, not for me to tell you what's right. And to evolve that ongoing inquiry about knowing our own hearts, intuition and finding what's right moment by moment by moment. Whether you're a performer on stage and needing to be absolutely present in each and every moment, or you're a Yogi knowing who you are, and how we evolve, it doesn't matter, it's presencing, it's evolving inquiry, who am I? What do I need? What's right in this moment?

Rebecca Warfield:       10:35       This weekend, It's just been interesting because I had been practicing in a particular way, you know, for quite some time. And you being here making me work harder in different ways, which I thought I was doing, but I apparently was not. But I definitely feel like as the days have gone on, because as I told Angela, when I first took one of your classes, I said, man, she's not afraid of holding a pose, is she? She was like, nope, not at all. But as I've been holding them, I have been sort of witnessing how, what is right for my body changes even in that moment. And so what felt right in the first breath by say breath 30 or what maybe it had been 650 today. I don't even know anymore. Suddenly right had changed. And many times that when I had to back off. And for me that's a pretty big deal because I have a tendency to go a little bit too hard, in certain ways. Other ways I'm a little sleepy in other parts of my body, in my life.

Annie Carpenter:         11:30       I see that in you.

Rebecca Warfield:       11:30       Yes, for sure. Apparently I'm very sleepy in my quadriceps.

Annie Carpenter:         11:36       Very active in your mind.

Rebecca Warfield:       11:37       So active and an active mouth. [laughing] Angela and I have been like whispering up here, when we were came into standing splits today. I was like, Angela, this is your fault.

Rebecca Warfield:       11:47       But it's been interesting and I also was telling someone before we started today that it's been a long time since I've practiced like this, I usually squeeze in an hour yoga practice like a lot of Yogis do. And each day or most days, but even yesterday coming into Urdhva Dhanurasana and holding it for a while, it's like, gosh, this is hard. I feel like I can't do this. I think your teacher was such a jerk, like my brain was taking me down all these strange things and it's been a long time since I've experienced, sort of that inquiry into the Asana practice. Because usually it's just been like get up into my back extension and get back down. So is that part of the reason why you are drawn to holding postures long or is it more in terms of the physical sense of rightness, if you will?

Annie Carpenter:         12:34       No, absolutely not. In fact, I don't think the poses really matter. They don't. But working on some, one thing, it could be anything. It could be calligraphy, it could be violin. It's the idea of keeping the mind steady on one point call it echo grata. And so rather than flowing through poses and having them change constantly, which is also an interesting exercise. But being in and being able to focus on ever more subtle things over time, what happens is the mind is able to sense and be with more and more subtle things. So at the beginning it's straighten your leg a year later it's lift the inner knee a year later is can you move the top of the side bone towards the hamstring but not the bottom of the thigh bone. A year later is your breath feeding the work into the inner arch. A year later, watch the breath; a year later, watch the mind; a year later. Just be.

Rebecca Warfield:       13:36       It's the mind component, you know, that I always, I shouldn't say just me. I think so many yogis find that part to be difficult. But I do feel like in my own practice things have changed. I've told you a little bit about this yesterday and most people who listen to probably heard me mentioned this before, but I have a low back injury and I've spent a lot of time focusing in on my body to protect my back. And I do feel like I'm arriving in a place finally where I can be in the posture and then maybe start to notice the breath now. So hopefully that will continue to evolve. Ever more subtle. Yes. Ever more subtle things. But then yesterday too, I was like, well apparently I just splay my ribs open. I've been joking for years and years. It's not even joke cause it's true.

Rebecca Warfield:       14:21       Every ballet teacher, every modern dance teacher, every yoga teacher I've ever had, has come by and pushed my ribs in and down. And that's the first thing you did in our first practice together. I was like, oh, here we are again. So maybe I still have a little bit more work to do in that regard. So also can you share with us a little bit about SmartFLOW Yoga? I think a lot of us who've been in the workshop, we have of course experience a lot of it today, but there's a lot of folks listening. We're now downloaded in 37 countries. So yeah, I know kind of cool. So maybe a few folks who are listening haven't heard of SmartFLOW yet. Can you tell us about it?

Annie Carpenter:         15:02       I have evolved SmartFLOW to use the principles of yoga philosophy and put the principles of yoga philosophy so we could, do you know the word grok?

Rebecca Warfield:       15:11       No.

Annie Carpenter:         15:11       The word grok is from the 60s. Grok means to experience fully in such a way that you understand it viscerally, as well as emotionally, as well as psychologically. So it's to really know something from the inside out. So one of the most important things in yoga in the concepts of abhyasa, which means "to show up, to do, to activate, to practice" and it's sister vairagya. Not Viagara. [laughing]

Rebecca Warfield:       15:43       Not to be confused. They're very different. [laughing]

Annie Carpenter:         15:48       And vairagya means, in a word, don't attached to the outcome. And this is the lesson that The Bhagavad Gita, those of you who read the Gita, hopefully many times. The idea is that we all have a Dharma. We all have something that we need to show up for, and do. And so the practices we choose to do, whether for you that's meditation or pure asana or breathing practices, any practice. Then that practice, we need to show up for it, on a regular basis so that we can continue to demand of ourselves to be present to our work. On the other side, and this is a good way to think of it as a bird having two wings. The two wings need to flap evenly at the same pace or rhythm, or the bird flies off into never, never. So the other wing is that wing. Yes, I'm showing up.

Annie Carpenter:         16:42       No matter if I ever arrive, no matter if it goes well today, it doesn't go well today. No matter what anyone else thinks, no matter if there's never progress, I show up continually. And as those two wings, the abhyasa practice and vairagya, no matter what, come into more and more steady rhythm, then the work becomes effortless. And so in SmartFLOW Yoga, we have equal emphasis on moving into a pose, as moving out of that same, we activate the body towards an advanced expression without forgetting what it's like to return to center, away from that. And so all of the primary movement, continuums, directions of movement that the body can move in and out of are called movement principles. And there's a family of poses that belong to each of the movement principles. There are nine primary principles. And so we learned the movement principle rather than the pose.

Annie Carpenter:         17:54       So we teach the body how do we explore towards an advanced expression, and return back, away from it to center. And then as we learn each movement principles, the poses that employee, that principle, we play with them together. So not only do we learn how to move from a beginning expression towards a more advanced, safely, because we have a return to the center, but it also informs us how to create a sequence. Because if we work, generally speaking on all of the poses belonging to a family of a particular move in principle, then we know how to make a class, any sequence, belong. We keep playing with the same work in more and more advanced ways. So the emphasis is not on getting anywhere but finding balance. And we tie the Asana to the philosophy.

Rebecca Warfield:       18:59       And I fell over the last two days practicing with you. There wasn't anything we did that I've never tried before, but I experienced it so differently in some of the, actually I shouldn't say some. All of them. And I think it is, that sort of that effort and return at that simultaneous moments. So [inaudible 00:19:13] is a big one for me because I can crank myself into the back and if I have to, that's why I have a back injury. And it doesn't always feel bad, but you use the example of the ballet in the front of the body, which was hilarious when you asked if there are rock climbers. Because we're all here on the coast of North Carolina. Rocks, not as a single rock, not hardly any gravel. There's like nothing. And everyone just sat there like, oh no, but we do have a rock wall at the gym over here.

Annie Carpenter:         19:44       That'll do.

Rebecca Warfield:       19:45       Yes, that will do. And you can get delayed certified. And that was a whole different experience for me. And even though the, my back extension wasn't as quote big, right. And it wasn't as sensational. The terms sensation junkie, which Angela affectionately reminds me all the time that I am one. It felt really controlled but equally as beneficial in my body. Well not equally. I should say more beneficial in my body. It was really nice to experience that.

Annie Carpenter:         20:14       And you didn't wake up this morning with back pain, did you?

Rebecca Warfield:       20:16       Not at all. Though my triceps are unbelievably sore. Like apparently I don't use them ever. Even today the twist, I was like, why do my triceps hurt so bad? Twisting. S

Annie Carpenter:         20:28       It's a straight arm.

Annie Carpenter:         20:29       I know it’s a very straight arm is. So in terms of this SmartFLOW practice, how did you arrive to this methodology? What brought you to the yoga practice and how did you end up? I know we're not supposed to want to land anywhere in the yoga practice, but how did you land here in SmartFLOW yoga?

Annie Carpenter:         20:48       Growing up as a dancer and it actually, it's kind of an athlete and say as a little kid, I was really good at pushing to the edge and I frankly didn't have that many injuries, but there was some sort of psychic and, physical like nervous system, physical fatigue that over the many years of really pushing to the edge again and again and again. I couldn't identify it. I didn't know what it was. I just had this deep inner fatigue, in my late twenties. And so I was already doing both dance and yoga. So then I just started doing more and more yoga over the years and restorative work. Certainly Shavasana. I fell into love with Pranayama and my early twenties, which I think most people don't get to that later. But what I started to find was that it was as important to pull back as it was in push forward.

Annie Carpenter:         21:44       So it was a really primitive understanding of abhyasa and vairagya because I was depleting myself in a deep level in my nervous system. And so I said, okay, there clearly has to be a balance here and I'm hyper mobile. So I've had to learn how to pull back from going to extreme expressions of poses, whether that was a dance position or a yoga pose. And so everything in the universe kept saying, maybe that's too much Annie.

Rebecca Warfield:       22:10       How old were you? I feel like this is something people, when they're young, don't recognize.

Annie Carpenter:         22:16       I just think I had pushed so hard just there was no other choice that I just was against the wall. And if I didn't learn to turn around, God knows I probably would've killed myself in some way. Does that make sense?

Rebecca Warfield:       22:27       For sure.

Annie Carpenter:         22:28       You know, so I had to turn it around. I had to say first, it is enough and then enough is enough, Annie. And then, oh, what is balance really mean? And so it's just been an ongoing in self inquiry into what's too far, what's enough, what's not enough, what's nothing look like? Because nothing feels like depression to me because I'm such an active brain physical person. So I couldn't just fall. That was scary. But I had to be more comfortable with something closer to nothingness or shall we just say stillness, effortlessness. And to me that felt dark and scary. And so I had to learn to let all my let's do, do, do, more, more, more, go to that. For me again, shadow side of maybe emptiness. Nothingness. Quiet, stillness dark is okay. And as I slowly experimented with that, I begin to find the balance. And saw it all as this beautiful continuum. Not as right-wrong, not as light- dark, not as good-bad. But as an exploration and for each day and for each activity and for each relationship, I had to find that balance. And so when I get on the mat, when I sit on my meditation cushion, that's my work. Does it need to be more inhale the today? Or does it need to be more exhale today? And what about the gap in between? And there's my truth. It keeps changing and I stay with it.

Rebecca Warfield:       24:15       Yeah. And I think that's the important part is that it changes. And that's definitely something that I struggle with. Maybe my personality type. And I even think our western drive to continually do, at least in the circles I run with, there's a lot of doing, doing, doing all the time and like there's always something better to achieve out there and something greater than what we have right now. And I think that's what I've enjoyed so much over the last few days. Practicing with you is that effort and return and experiencing, okay, so my tricep hurts in this. What can I do to be here in this experience, but also alleviate that, but without losing the posture. It's been an interesting exploration for me. For sure.

Annie Carpenter:         24:54       I think what you're talking about is what I might describe as sustaining presence. And sustaining presence often can't be maximum expression, so but how do I express what I'm doing that so that it feels full like 100% but cannot 100% be about you being present in the moment rather than maximum dew or maximum undue also can be deeply fatiguing.

Rebecca Warfield:       25:20       I have a tendency for both. I can do one or the other really well. The extremes. Yes. It's definitely something I think not just in Yoga, just in life in general, you know? For sure. That's what I would do yoga, right, because it's just a metaphor for all the other things in our lives. For sure. The Mirror. Yeah. It's like a fun house mirror sometimes as I'm like, what am I looking at right now? [laughing]. It's definitely been an experience for sure. And I know that we are a little pressed time because you are only here for a short amount of time and you have some things going on this evening. Is there anything else that you want to share about SmartFLOW yoga or your experiences coming to the yoga practice?

Annie Carpenter:         26:01       Yeah, just in closing, I think I'd say that, I'm really grateful for the capacity for all of us to continue to pause and open our minds and really feel what is, because it's so easy to arrive at a place in all forms of life and living. And say, oh, I understand, I got this and it feels right and it's good and just stay there and that's not living to me, you know? Where are you right now? I'm certainly very happy in my life and feel blessed and grateful, but I could never have predicted 40 years ago, 30 years ago or a year ago.

Annie Carpenter:         26:41       For example, you and I would be sitting in Wilmington, North Carolina. What's the studio?  Longwave Yoga. But I think for most of us, if we're continually doing self inquiry, asking what matters, asking what helps keep me present. Then we look back, we go, of course I'm here. Of course this is the absolute perfect place for me to be and we can only hope that we continue to recognize that because then we trust the path of self inquiry, ever evolving, ever present seeing, not present period, but present seeing. Ongoing to be exactly where we need to be.

Rebecca Warfield:       27:27       One of the things that I find the most interesting as I have ventured into my yogic path is that I think yogis talk about this a lot, but we've always been on the path. But, sometimes, I look back and I think man, like I was really on the path. I wasn't doing yoga, but all my graduate work, you know, in graduate school, it was about the union of dichotomies. It was about finding oneness and what that means culturally. And I look at all these books that I read and they were about all of these things. And so it's nice to be in the yoga practice and see that. Sure, of course, this is where I landed. Of course, this is where I am. But then now that I'm here, like you caught it to be presencing with that. I had this, correct me if I'm wrong, I think it's kalapurnata in the fullness of time, you know, recognizing the past. Here we are in the present and then being so present with that to see how that can drive us forward. It's pretty exciting.

Annie Carpenter:         28:22       Life is good.

Rebecca Warfield:       28:23       It's good, isn't it? It's really exciting. So one thing that I like to do on Dharma drops is a reminder that of course you can hold yoga in our hearts and we can live our lives with yoga, but there's a big world out there full. They're really fun things. And I know that you're a birdwatcher. Yes. And so can we just chat for a minute about birds? And so have you always been a bird watcher or is this something that arrived later? How did you get there?

Annie Carpenter:         28:47       You know, when I was a teenager in high school, I went, I was blessed to go to this open high school thing where we got to sort of create our own programs and I was really into science then. And my science teacher turned out was a beekeeper and a birdwatcher. George. Loved George. And so he said, well we could design a science class around birdwatching and we all rolled our eyes and said whatever. So I'll never forget. So we did some birdwatching and we got out our Audubon books and all of that and talked about how dinosaurs evolved into birds, all that sort of research stuff. And then one morning he will and night he says, okay, we're meeting at the Newport News Park and we're going to get in our kayaks aand we are going to go way out deep in the marshes because I'm hoping we're going to be able to see a prothonotary warbler.

Rebecca Warfield:       29:42       What is that?

Annie Carpenter:         29:43       That is a very small bright yellow bird that is in very few places. There are not too many of them left sadly and you have to kind of go deep into the marshlands where it's really quiet and safe for birds and we went out and we didn't think we were going to see one. It's crack of dawn and I'm a teenager, crack of dawn and teenagers not happening. We love George. I think there was three or four of us who went with him and so there we were and then he heard and [whistling] sweet fluid, like whistles, same tone. I can't do it.

Annie Carpenter:         30:20       My whistles dry, really sweet and then we turn the corner and we took up our binoculars and there he was. And the sun was shining on it. You may know that, not know this about birds, but there's the color of the feathers, but there's also a reflective radiating colour. That like if you've seen a hummingbird and you see it in the shadow, in that Ruby red throat, you don't see anything but dark. But when the light hits it, it reflects the light and it's a very bright, bright red. And the same with this bird in the light. It was just like a shining golden yellow. It was a miracle. This tiny little bird. And from that moment on.y

Rebecca Warfield:       30:59       You're a birdwatcher.

Annie Carpenter:         31:01       I'm a birder. There's many years I lived in New York, so much of my birding was pigeons and seagulls. But yeah, four years ago we moved up to the bay area and we're in the East Bay and there's actually quite a bit of good learning there. So I've rekindled my love and now when I travel I take my binoculars and I try to find a local guide and go birding.

Rebecca Warfield:       31:25       That's awesome. And you do a little birding here in Wilmington?

Annie Carpenter:         31:27       Yes. I did.

Rebecca Warfield:       31:31       Did you see anything good?

Annie Carpenter:         31:31       Yes, in the Airlie Gardens. We saw a lot of egrets and herons. But I also saw an anhinga.

Rebecca Warfield:       31:38       I don't think I know, oh wait, I think maybe you told me about this. Is this the one whose feathers don't have oil on them? Can you tell me one more time? Because my impersonations, probably not very great over here.

Annie Carpenter:         31:49       Similar family to the cormorants and they are these beautiful birds that ride low in the water and they dive deep into the water to go fishing to get their food. And unlike ducks, which have a lot of oil in their feathering and so their feathers don't get soaked, they don't have that. So once they've done their fishing and had their dinner and they sit up on a branch low, close to the water and they spread their wings out really wide and the sun dries out their feathers. So you'll often see these birds. Cormorants are pure black, where the ahinga have a sort of white flecked beautiful pattern on the backs of their wings and long necks, long beaks, and they're just beautiful birds. And you don't see them in too many places.

Rebecca Warfield:       32:31       I didn't know. We were so lucky to have them. Angela, Angela told me, she said, she's gonna reference birds a lot and we stretch your arms out. She's like, do you know what a California condor is? And Angela, we looked at each other. I was like, Oh gosh, here we go.

Annie Carpenter:         32:44       They have a very big wing span.

Rebecca Warfield:       32:46       Apparently. We do too. Yeah, it's awesome. I don't have a ton of experience with birds right now. My birding experience is getting the squirrels off of my bird feeder. That's the lifelong

Annie Carpenter:         32:58       It's a start.

Rebecca Warfield:       32:59       I actually kind of like the squirrels. They are kind of cute. They're kind of funny, you know? So anyway, I think we have to go because you have food to eat soon. Thank you so much for being here and for being on Dharma Drops podcast and giving the listeners across the world the chance just to hear a little information and insight from you.

Annie Carpenter:         33:18       It is my pleasure. Thank you for having me.

Rebecca Warfield:       33:19       Of course. And if folks want to find you, is there anywhere they can catch up with you on social media?

Annie Carpenter:         33:25       Yes, @anniecarpentersmartflow on Instagram; and my website is anniecarpenter.com.

Rebecca Warfield:       33:29       And you're on Glo teaching classes.

Annie Carpenter:         33:32       Yes, come find me on Glo. There are great classes there.

Rebecca Warfield:       33:38       Yes, I did tie your bow the other day. Then the next day I was like, oh my God, my legs hurt so bad. It's that bound, extended side angle is like how long have we been here? That's a good one. You know one other thing before we part ways, Annie, is that I just wanted to share with you that I almost forgot. So I've been working on my forearm stand for years, and it was actually in one of your Glo classes--the series you have for teachers. I don't know what happened but putting my thumbs on the block worked, and I went up and it scared me so bad cause it actually did it at the top of my lungs, I said, oh shit! And then I just sat there in silence and I was like, I can't believe I'm here balancing and like totally scared and excited and cussing and kind of crying.

Annie Carpenter:         34:21       That's all presencing.

Rebecca Warfield:       34:21       Yes, it is all a presencing but just a special thanks for that one because that was an exciting one. Not that I'm attached to it.

Annie Carpenter:        34:27       Thank you for telling me.

Rebecca Warfield:      34:28       Yes, of course. All right guys, thanks so much for being here and listening to this special episode of Dharma Drops podcast. We have got to take Amy to go get some dinner. Namaste. Bye.

Outro:   34:40       Thanks so much for listening to this episode of Dharma Drops and a big special shout out once again to any carpenter for being on the show and to Longwave Yoga in Wilmington, North Carolina for hosting the workshop and providing this space for us to record it in a sort of impromptu kind of manner. If you'd like to follow me on Instagram, you can find me at @rebeccawarfieldyoga and at @dharmadropspodcast. And you can keep up with all my shenanigans at rebeccawarfield.com or if you want to get fancy with it, you can type in dharmadropspodcast.com But, little secret, it just takes you to the same place. It's like magic. In any case, don't forget to rate, review and subscribe to this podcast on whatever app you're listening on and until we meet again next time. Thanks so much for listening. Bye, guys.

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About Rebecca Warfield

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Rebecca Warfield lives in a small town on the southern coast of North Carolina. In addition to being an avid traveler and writer, she is a university English instructor and RYT-500 yoga teacher. Rebecca spent her 20s traveling solo around the globe, studying literature, and dancing. In her 30s, a New Year’s resolution brought her to yoga, and she hasn’t looked back. She currently teaches yoga full time and is dedicated to sharing yoga’s teachings with others. Rebecca is the founded Rebecca Warfield Yoga and Dharma Drops to celebrate the diversity of practices and experiences of yogis and non-yogis alike.